Babynaming is one of those can't-please-everybody propositions. Whether you choose to go traditional or creative, sentimental or futuristic, you can't avoid other people's (generally unsolicited) opinions.
We've developed pretty thick skin in this area, which is why we were able to snicker at this list of rules over at The Daily Beast, despite the fact that we are in clear violation of at least one rule ourselves...
Apparently, it was a bad idea to name our firstborn after a "high-falutin' literary character", even if said character is from one of our all-time favorite books. Oh, well.
Other no-nos from "baby naming guru" Pamela Redmond Satran:
- No names you might use for a dog.
- If a supermodel would choose this name for her baby, stay away.
- Don't pick any name that starts with "I" or "Z" or ends with "X" or "O".
Now, the piece doesn't actually come out and recommend any good names (though it does give a specified list of names to steer clear of), so we're all still on our own, with this dire warning should we somehow choose a name that's even worse than a hipster name:
But as important as it may seem to avoid names that threaten to turn you into a hipster cliché, it’s even more essential to stay away from those that might make your teenager try to kill you while you sleep.
Read the full piece: 10 Ways to Avoid Hipster Baby Names
The list is kind of funny. I live in Brooklyn (Prospect Heights, next to Park Slope) and while I have heard some of these names at the playground, many are news to me. What is personally funny is that my two month old nephew is Asher, my own name is Poppy, but my son's name is not on the list (another high-falutin' literary name - Beckett).
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It makes me sad my sweet Isla's name made the list, I had no idea I was a hipster!
view aaacoba's profile
While I'm happy that my boys' names (Linus, Oliver, and Miles) aren't on the list, they are precariously close to some of them (Lionel, Olive, and Milo - hee hee!) But I prefer the Hipster names over ridiculously spelled made up names any day.
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oops, i just realized i did misname. Miles. Darn jazz musicians! :P
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It's interesting that they say to stay away from literary characters, but that soap opera stars "remain safe." And I agree pyjammy...these names are much better than the silly made-up ones.
view MandarinOrange's profile
My personal theory regarding naming is that gay men are ahead of the curve. What they name their dogs this year will be the "it" name of the next 3-5 years. Some good friends of ours named their dog "Olivia" about ten years ago, and my six-year old daughter has about five little friends named the same.
Of course, the same month we brought our son home from the hospital, we came across an add in The Economist for an investment bank. It featured a picture of two children in sepia tones, and the names of our children. So perhaps we stayed a little TOO traditional.
view wrenx's profile
Heh. Wrenx, based on your theory, my personal experience dictates that in ten years "Bubbles" will be a hot name for girls. ;)
view TammyE's profile
While most people really like my (almost born) daughter's name, Charlotte, I've told a few people who have looked at me like I was a freak for being in my 20's and not coming up with something more....trendy.
I always thouht that when I had my first child I would name her something super unique and interesting....but then Charlotte just fell into our laps. It's old fashioned, but elegant. However, we've decided our next daughter will be named Sarai. So, we didn't escape the un-traditional completely.
view PersimmonGirl's profile
We've never run into another Sebastian my son's age. I love that his name is unique enough that he won't be one of three in his kindergarten class. When we introduce him to young kids they always associate it with The Little Mermaid movie so its easy for them to remember.
Bring on the hipster names. It makes life more fun.
view racheloncegentry's profile
Our daughter is Harper. Which means I guess we'll have to somehow try to go on living with this badge of shame hanging over our heads. *sigh* What were we thinking...
view SpaceMonkeyX's profile
Uh oh! We are in serious violation. Our two kiddos--Isaiah (5) called Izzy and Zora (11 days) called Zadie--have names that start with I and Z. And sin of all naming sins, Zora/Zadie bears the name of two different writers (Zora Neale Hurston and Zadie Smith)...though this was entirely coincidental.
view veganmomma's profile
Uh oh, my husband and I are doubly in violation of the no-hipster name code naming our new daughter Aurora. It's both the name of a Roman goddess, and one of George Sand's original names. Darn it, why didn't we see this list two weeks ago! At least it's not on Nameberry's list of hipster names to avoid. /snark The sad thing is that I bet more people will think of the Disney princess before anything else when they hear her name.
view Pencils's profile
I understand prohibiting Z (even if it is a little ignorant of non-western cultures) but I? When you have perfectly good, traditional names like Isabelle?
If you're interested in the topic of trends in baby names, check a book called Freakanomics out of your library. He has a fun chapter on how names can move from trendsetters to over-popular and then to poor populations.
Disclaimer - since the guy's whole book is about playing with numbers, obviously read whatever he says with a grain of salt - but it's still a fun read!
view Kaete's profile
Eh, I'd go for Zion or Pepper before Jacob or Ashley. However, there's a fine line between hipster names (Orion, Cobain) and ahem, yuppie style names (Cooper, anything with a 's' at the end that makes it sound possessive).
view 44ounce's profile
It's hard to step back far enough to see the demographic we're in. We, and everyone around us who's naming children about the same time, are immersed in our culture. We share our experiences of what names feel old-fashioned. We watched the same hit movies, read the same best-sellers. We went to school together, so we're all avoiding the names of everyone we dated in college. By noticing what names we haven't heard lately, we develop a collective notion of what names are fresh and original, too.
To see it all in play, visit the baby name wizard, where you can see the ebb and flow of naming in the US for the last century. Type your own name in and see if your parents were ahead of the curve.
http://www.babynamewizard.com/voyager
view lccarson's profile
I'm not sure what was worse- finding my daughter's name on the 'hipster' list, or finding my son's name on the 'yuppie' one...
view SeattleMama's profile
What I find funny:
The more obscure and high-minded the character, the more hipster-worthy the name. So youâll have to stay away from Scout, Daisy, Maisie, Holden and Gulliver.
Obscure? Names from books everyone read in 8th or 9th grade? For pity's sake.
Personally, I've long wanted to give a girl my favorite literary name: Dorothea.(From Middlemarch, I would argue hardly obscure.) I also like that it would pay tribute as well to Dorothy Day and Dorothy Parker, without carrying the Wizard of Oz baggage. But my husband's not having it. So we're settled on Margaret, a nice traditional name.
I will add that I resent the inclusion of "Max" among the dog names. Max was my grandfather's name, damnit.
view pyewacket's profile
I'm generally in favor of unique names - hoping for an Evelyn, Aster, Eleanor or Adelaide, myself someday - but I absolutely hate this currently generation of Aiden/Haden/Braden/Jayden/Caden. Its sad too, because they're all nice names. Or.. well.. they were.. until they became totally overdone. I guess my top names fall into that category of "highly unfashionable and hideously ugly" though, so who am I to judge.
view imavunderbrah's profile
my brother named his kids Piper and Ransom.
'nuff said.
view little flower's profile
Huh. We named our son Theodore because it's the male variant of my name (Dorothy) and because my husband's name is Matisyahu (which means the same thing in Hebrew). And we have not yet met another kid named Theo in person, although we've heard of them.
We're planning to name our daughter Eleanor after my grandmother, which apparently is too closely related to the now-unacceptable Leonora, but I can't get too excited about this.
The only weird looks we get are from people who think we have some bizarre attachment to the Roosevelts.
view dot's profile
Some ethnic groups favor naming after relatives, living or deceased (among Jews).
In England people gave the oldest son a surname for a first name (and they were expected to go by a middle name or nickname among friends).
In many countries in Europe you were limited to naming your child after one of the saints in the calendar. Flower- name names, for example, like "Violetta" denoted a prostitute.
I'm glad naming customs have loosened up, though, since it means kids are less likely to be teased in school for having odd names.
I think the kindest thing is pick a first name that goes well with the last name the child happens to have, and also one that will sound good in all stages of life.
We named our son for my Grandfather, Max, so I suppose we were in violation of the "rule" against picking a name that ends in x.
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i found rule number 8 to be quite funny. my great-grandmother was named indiana. i am pretty sure she was far from being a hipster.
we have always wanted to name a daughter, vivian ann after our grandmothers, but we are unable to have children & got an already named one, dylan. probably border-line hipster since my husband loves bob dylan. oh well! :)
--summar (possibly hipster name, but more likely hippy name with weird spelling!)
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Well, we can't all name our kids Zamboni, now, can we?
(momma to my girl Finley and my boy Sam (18 months), and Isaac, 19 years - not a hipster name by any means at the time I named him.)
view 9flights's profile
We're on the list, too. Daisy - a literary character and, as we've heard over and over, the name of many a dog.
view ksg's profile
"Don't pick any name that starts with "I" or "Z" or ends with "X" or "O"
Very silly rule! Plus, Isabel is a gorgeous name
view La loca's profile
Aw, man, I am so guilty. Both of my sons violate the no I/Z or X/O rule (Zion and Max- though that is just his nickname, real name is Malik). I still love their names though. I figure, as long as it won't sound too ridiculous when they are grown and have to put their name on a resume, it is A-OK.
view zero's profile
i already violated Rule 2
view bbt's profile
Ooh, i think we violated the pet name. Max, Ramona, Oliver and Samuel. Two are cats and two are kids. : )
view javagrrrl's profile
Hee. I should be ashamed of myself - a total of 11 of those names were on our prospective baby name list before we had our daughter. We ended up naming her Persephone, which isn't on the list specifically, but is after a literary character if you count mythology.
view hyacinthine's profile
Oh, they do mention Goddess names! Well nevermind, I guess my baby has a hipster name.
view hyacinthine's profile
Winston is evidently the name of a bazillion cats and dogs -- we didn't know this that at the time and it doesn't bother us either. We love animals almost as much as we love kids. We came across the name, because it is John Lennon's middle name (his mom named him after W. Churchill), so guess we also violated that rule. However, it fits our boy to a "T" I can't imagine having named him anything else.
Also, we live in a cowtown, but I know more than a dozen kiddos with the listed Hipster names and several of them seem to be kind of common (Olive, Atticus, Piper, etc.), but I still think they are great names.
view Green Me's profile
Well, I'm half yupster, I guess. My daughter Alice puts me on that list, but my son Wesley isn't on any lists.
Of course, seeing that my entire list of favorites is too hipster, I am not out of the woods: Olive, Ramona, Matilda, Clementine, Felix, Miles, Milo...I'm screwewd. :)
view BambiJo's profile
Bah. The list is subjective. My daughter's name is Ruby and I couldn't care less if someone thinks that's "hipster". So what.
view PrettyKitty's profile
Well, I guess I'm a hipster then because I'm guilty of most of those rules. My son is Nicholas, but he's Nico for short. I like most "hipster" names long before I ever considered having babies anyway.
My mom named me after a high minded literary character, Laura Ingals Wilder, and I have never thought it very hip. She also had the coolest dog name ever, Ilsa, which I would love for a little girls name.
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While I'm not wild that our daughter's name is on that list -- we named her Tallulah in 2003, long before it became "hip" -- it doesn't change the fact that it is a beautiful name, and suits her to a "T".
It took us a full month to name her after she was born. We searched the US name registry to see how often it had been used, how often is had been used in Canada, as well as the UK. We googled her full name (Tallulah Rose), and came up with a champion bloodhound (!) and a baby in London, England. But when I google it now, I come up with a pile of real estate agent's webpages...
I'm betting our son's name, Viggo, will hit the list too.
She goes to a school peopled by United Nations employees, which really makes the withering comments about Brooklyn plagrounds seem, well, silly and petty. To illustrate, at age 4, she acquired 3 "fiancées" all with names starting with a K -- Karim, Kushinga, and Kenji. Her classes include a Timor, Loukie, and other more exotic names that I know only by sound.
Bah! on the list, and the petty sentiments underlying it.
view mschatelaine's profile
i gave my son a name that is incredibly common in italy, but not in the US. i saw the name (on a building) every day on my way to high school, and filed it away. he HATED it when he was young, LOVES it now...goes with his surname, and is perfect for an artist.
i also looked in phone books for ideas, and found some beautiful and unusual names.
view maude's profile
heyy monarda - regarding part of your comment about flower names...
"In many countries in Europe you were limited to naming your child after one of the saints in the calendar. Flower- name names, for example, like "Violetta" denoted a prostitute."
i had nooo idea! hehehhe
i'm so glad naming customs have loosened up too!!! my father picked my name which literally means "little flower" in Italian. I'm Fiorella. Oh yeah and I have an aunt Violeta (just one T in her name) too!
view little flower's profile
Annabel, Clementine, Dexter, Georgiana (Georgia), Lola, Roscoe, Sebastian, and Violet have all been on my list at various times.
*shrug*
All of these name are so much better than what's in the Social Security top twenty. I'll take names popular with metro hipsters over names popular with teenage moms from Iowa any day of the week.
view honeyhaze's profile
Personally, I think having less common names is a good thing.
When my husband and I first got together, we picked our daughter's name, but then it exploded on the popularity list, and so we know 4 of them.
As parents, we have a hard time keeping all the Olivias (4), Alex/Alec/Alix/Alexanders (7 of both genders), Sebastians (3), Olivers (3), Sophias (4), and Samuels (3) in our 5 year-old's life straight, and so have had to assign other descriptors ("baby", "big", "blonde", etc.)...
At least with a less-common name, the chances that your child will have a descriptor you haven't chosen is less likely....
view mschatelaine's profile
Wow! My name (Sadie) made the list! The most common response I get when I tell people my name is that it is their dog's name. The second most common response is the Streisand number. Both are okay by me. I was born and live in obscurity in the Midwest, and there is no chance that anyone is going to accuse my parents of being hipsters.
Plus, I'm named after my first cousin thrice removed, who was practically the queen of my hometown. :)
view matchbookhymnal's profile
Hey matchbookhymnal - I love your name! So much so that I named my daughter Sadie.... hipster name be damned.
It's my husband's grandma's name.... we decided on it like 4 years ago. I've watched it gain popularity over the past 4 years with some surprise - but it fits our little 3 month old to a tee!
view annie t's profile
This is so funny. Every time I find a name I like for our next little one, it turns up on every "what should I name my kid" list. Evangeline and Finn were my favorites five minutes ago, but they seem to be rising in popularity. Maybe we should start turning to singers' surnames to find really unique names. Veirs for a boy?
I actually woke up at 2 a.m. this morning thinking that I'd have to run to the computer and find out if Mildred is acceptable as a clunky hipster name. It's sort of sweet in an odd way. And we're unschooling, so no pressure at the playground.
view PBandB's profile
everything always comes full circle. names are like throwback jerseys. once you remember them, they come alive again in full force. soon, we will be adopting the names of long past for our kids: Ethel, Gertrude, Hazel, Aloysius, Wilfred, etc. Then, in about 10 years, it will be the popular late 60's born generations names that are back in style like Linda, Debbie, and Sherry.
don't forget, though...it could always be worse. your name could be number 16 bus shelter. nothing hipster about that: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7522952.stm
view Kpaige13's profile
As an "Isabelle," I find this "no names starting with I"-rule highly objectionable.
I'm also a fan of Ingrid and Ilse, which are apparently not hipster names yet but probably will be before I get around to having kids in 3 or 4 years.
view IzzyIzzy's profile
My parents violated a rule.
I'm Tess, after Tess of the d'Urbervilles. Both a Thomas Hardy novel and a Roman Polanski film. Guilty twice! But I'm very thankful. I get complements all the time and I'm the only Tess I now (I do know plenty of Tessa's that have changed their name to Tess).
view Tessisthebest's profile
Those rules are retarded. So I have a hipster name just because it starts with an 'O' (Olivia)? I was named back in 1977 - so I don't even know what a hipster was back then.
I don't think there is anything wrong with giving your kids an uncommon name - some of them are so beautiful - like Isabel.
view oliviahh's profile
Hey, thanks, Annie t! It's nice to hear. Especially since it was your daughter you named Sadie, not your schnauzer!
view matchbookhymnal's profile
I'm a gay and I want to name my dog Joyce or Susan.
Straights take note.
view greyny's profile
my mother wanted to name me Coco- my father pleaded for her not to name me that because i would be taunted and(not the extremely popular dog name) thank god for that... so they ended up naming me Chanel. Which in 1986 wasn't common or good in a small town in Texas. Throughout school I was always called... Janelle, Chantel, Michelle, and the ever popular Channel. *sigh* and for some reason people STILL cannot pronounce my name correctly!! >.
view witchbaby's profile
Ah, to be white in America and have to think about such things...
view sadia's profile
So the new Hip is not using Hipster names...
view Perk's profile
So only white parents carefully consider their baby's name? That's news to me. Also, I don't know where you live, Sadia, but in Seattle we've got plenty of hipsters and hipster parents who aren't white.
I love my name, it never shows up any any of these lists! Too unusual to become really popular, not uncool enough to become cool.
As far as the dog name thing, a few years ago I felt like every new dog I met was named Emma--and not long after, suddenly every baby I met was named Emma. I think there's truth to this!
view CassieB's profile
It is very hard right now to choose a baby name. There are so many trendy baby names as well as names that might sound like roll call at a nursing home. So many people are trying to think of different yet classy names that so many babies are ending up with the same names! I wish my daughter's name,Maeve,was not on the list of strong names because I want her name to stay different. I guess I am part hipster,though,because her middle name is Harper (would have been Atticus Rhys if she had been a boy!)
view bronwyn's profile
Well I purchased Pamela Redmond Sartran's book "Cool Names For Babies" back in 2005 when baby number one was in the works. She had several lists of names which were "uncool" and how to make them "cool" and "cooler" eg "Lillian" (uncool) Lily (cool) and Lilo (cooler). There are entire chapters devoted to names beginning and/or ending in "o", literary names and supermodel baby names because those names are just the coolest thing everrrrr. By baby number 2 we bought her next book, "The Baby Name Bible" (2007). Names that were just so uncool in the first book (eg Ian) were suddenly described as having jaunty charm and were recommended. Literary names and names ending in "o" are given the big thumbs up. After taking her comments into consideration, we ignored them all and went with the names we liked. I'm glad we did because otherwise our kids would be hipsters now!!
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I'm glad that my baby Eileen is not included in the list. I don't know if my best friend will like it if she realizes that her baby bows wearing bald baby girl has a hipster name. She named her Isabelle Zhae.
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